Bolt starter to transmission later. Heater core and radiator connections are both identical, M103 vacuum hard line fits well, 124.104 PS Pump has larger fittings 201.103 is direct replacement just swap over rear mount bracket, late model 124 AC discharge lines up with condenser..suction just needs one crimp to combine 103 upper and 104 lower half R R0BB09 E500E Newbie Aug 10, 2019 If you have an E320 sedan and want more power, start shopping for an E420 with ASR and heated seats, rust-free, in your favorite color combo. Mrten Stngberg and his team at Team Lovetap in Sweden spent the off-season rebuilding the engine, transmission, and trunk area in their 2003 Mercedes CLK. Which is still ~1/3 of what the same condition E500E would be. Source: Team Lovetap and Team Lovetap FB page. Its a 3.0, 7000rpm limit, and 228hp, 201 lb.ft. A solution to fix this is to use the M104 A/C manifold (104 230 04 56 is NLA, aftermarket solution: Four Seasons 55586) and have both hoses custom made. Remove with transmission attached. Will always be cheaper to get what you want from the get go, If a wagon is your thing, maybe find a junkyard S124 and V8 124 with a crappy body and just frankenstein them? To swap a non V8 w124 into LH V8 spec would require the following parts changing: Wouldn't it be fun to have a 500e wagon? Convert the E320 into a coupe, THEN do the engine swap. CLK, W209. Navigation Menu . Nissan 350Z Gets Turbo Mercedes M104 By Michael Van Runkle Published Jun 7, 2020 The Merc powered 350Z pumps out an impressive 510 horsepower and 464 lb-ft of torque, which is much more than the stock Nissan mill. It was built for the track and drifting. Learn how your comment data is processed. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. Set starter in place if it isn't already and reconnect wires. If you are picky about colors and options, plan on a nationwide search that may take 6 months or longer. W203 Mercedes M104 3.2 TURBO Build In 10 Minutes (The German 2JZ) Ricer Benz 3.94K subscribers Join Subscribe 1.4K Share 85,007 views Apr 16, 2022 2004 Mercedes W203 with a M104 3.2l swap &. And if so is there no way around it? I'm sure you can find a high mileage 87 TD car and just rebuild the engine and possibly even do a trans swap. In sweden used m103/m104 cost about 250-750 $. Once all the wiring is laid out it is pretty simple to figure out. The engine features stock crank, Turbobandit 143 mm H-beam rods, stock pistons, stock bearings, Enem camshafts, double valve springs, Audi R8 coilpacks, and 2200 cc injectors. weren't there like 100 sportline LEs built for the USA and 100 for europe? If you want one super clean AND fully sorted it might be closer to $10k. As a side note, the block has over 150k on it and the bores are still within a thou of origional specs, there are no ring marks at the top and you can still see the factory cross-hatch. Wow, Thanks for all the info. '85 Euro 190E 2.3-16, '84 Euro 500SE, '90 300SEL, '51 Euro 170S, '15 G63 AMG. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. articles/m104.98x_motor_swap_in_a_190e.txt, W201 (specifically 1992-1993 190E 2.6, other models need adaptation). VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. I guess a V8 it sorta out of the questionand seems kinda pointless. I suppose that would work, I'm not sure why the 2.0 steering column is different than 2.3 or 2.6. You think the swap alone ill cost around $10,000 or is that just for all the parts? The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. I have a mint condition M104 I6 3.2L and the transmission is mint, so is the diff. My daily is an LS swapped 80 series land cruiser. BenzWorld.org forum is one of the largest Mercedes-Benz owner websites offering the most comprehensive collection of Mercedes-Benz information anywhere in the world. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. Sweden for a dyno tune. Simple and cheap power however since I wasnt inclined to do a engine swap I bought a E420. Connect oil pressure and oil level sensor wires, Bolt wire bracket to rear of intake manifold (10mm), Connect alternator wires coming from right fender, Connect rear crankshaft position sensor wire, Connect front crankshaft position sensor under X11 diagnostic port, Connect heater return hose at back of engine, Use W124 water reservoir overflow hose and 190E valve from thermostat cover, Use T connector at front vacuum nipple to connect to EZL and EGR/Smog pump solenoid, Connect black striped white vacuum line from throttle body to check valve at fender behind headlight, Connect 3 vacuum line at rear of intake manifold. Lower hose is only about 20cm long. :p, What about suspension and the rearend? you should check on 190rev there's more tuning types there than here. The M104.98x introduces a new vacuum nipple. Power will be greater with an LS swap. He is an electrical wizard. 120492018_1240624106295229_4604718134584404570_n.jpg. I am currently working on a my W201 2.6 project car. The M104.98x now has an updated version of CIS that is not directly compatible with the older version. The car is powered by a 3.2 L M104.992 inline-six using stock pistons, forged 144 mm rods, main girdle, custom intake and exhaust manifolds, custom dry sump system, and BorgWarner EFR 9180 turbocharger. I have a 3.8 V8 from a 1981 380SL in my 190. My M104 is a 99 hfm. It's like obsidian gray in color so it can't be, then again it's been repainted, but I think the same color. You are using an out of date browser. Is that a street car? Im leaning towads the AMG C36, sounds like a real nice setup. The suspension features factory Mercedes subframes with custom front and rear control arms and KW 3-way adjustable coilovers. I haven't done much looking into the nitty gritty details myself when it comes to the electrical side of the swap, I just know it's becoming increasingly more prevalent. The original 190E engine support brackets must be brought over from the original motor as well as the motor mounts. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. The swap from the smaller 2.6L M103 to a 3.0L M103 is a direct bolt-on swap (assuming the engines from the same cutoff years are used) and gives a small increase of around 30HP. BMW broke the hearts of many fans worldwide with the debut of the E90 generation of their M3 sports car. Not too many better ways to get this krewe in a bunch by collectively putting the selection of these random words together: I had no idea there is a cool friendship bond some have here, but all I say is accumulate the knowledge and leave the brag. Additionally, the high pressure hose is slightly longer and uses a 90 degree bend that is not compatible with a 190E 2.6 A/C condenser. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The sedan originally came with a 3.0 L M103 12v inline-six but was replaced with a 3.0 L M104.980 24v inline-six. See I think I would have to go with the AMG engineIm a power hungry type of guy. Im no where near having all of the funds to do thisproject withwere probably looking at like a year or two down the road. __________________. M104.981ish 3.0L Engine Block Moar. The Mercedes-Benz M104 is a straight-6 automobile engine produced from 1989 through 1999. used 2jz is about 3500-10000 $. Lengthen and connect the 3 prong connector under fuel distributor for airflow potentiometer (brown/green, blue/black, blue/green), Lengthen and connect the 1 prong coolant temperature sensor (green), Lengthen and connect the 2 prong coolant temperature sensor (brown, green), Lengthen and connect cold start valve wire, Longer CIS 4 prong coolant temperature sensor. One of the most common engine swaps for a 190E is the installation of the bigger M103 3.0L motor. engine alone. Fuel is fed to the inline-six through Bosch 2200 cc injectors and Nuke Performance fuel rail. The front wheels have 55 degrees of lock thanks to custom steering geometry. It doesn't get over 300 horsepower but its pretty quick. Could any of yall point me in the right direction to d this? Originally Posted by Kestas. The team also includes mechanics Christopher Reinholdsson, Robin Carlsson, Stefan Engstrm, Jesper Jumisko, Edvin Olsson, Joel Haglund, and media/spotter Sebastian Simonsson. Take whatever "positive vibes" translates to monetarily and treat your 036 with a barrage of restorative upgrades and needed and not-so-needed service and maintenance and probably still have some money to buy $5k euro headlights. '87--190E 2.3-16v(being rebuilt), '99--C230 Kompressor. as i have said, the chassis for 2.6 vs all other models are different. the volvo is a non turbo auto which will become a t-5R 5 spd in the future. Every panel is made from FRP (fiber-reinforced plastic) except for A-pillar, C-pillar, and roof. Maybe a steering unit from a w210? However, The flywheel is going to be a problem for you. Although this is still a tiny bit longer and almost doesn't fit. The factory VQ35DE V6 has given way to a turbocharged Mercedes M104 inline-six mated to a Samsonas H-pattern transmission. If I was ever going swap in a V8 into a W124 sedan it would be a Chevy LS motor. Now that I'm fully woken up and on my third cup of coffee, I also want to mention that the KE-Jet M119 has a completely different computer and electronics setup than the LH-based M119 cars. Doesn't the 93 sportline have the switchable differential? If it doesn't stall leave it alone!!!!!!!!!!!! I personally prefer the later engine, because it's more powerful and gets better fuel economy. Using the original 190E A/C manifold hoses not work entirely either. Behind the engine sits a five-speed manual transmission taken from a BMW E46 3.0d and connected via a bell housing from a Mercedes 2.7 CDI. The car rides on a Wisefab front and rear suspension with BC Racing adjustable coilovers. After 6 years of reading this forum, I was under the impression that a 5L LH M119 will install neatly into a 400E, 100% of the time for 10 times less than what JC220 wants to charge some incognizant stranger? Learn how your comment data is processed. Include wire from ground at ignition coil bracket. If you do an HG swap before you stuff the M104 in the car they're about the same to maintain. cheap way ,and use procharger instead. For reference: I've owned/own 2 M104 swapped 190Es. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. M119 upper engine harness - how to rewire temp plug? JavaScript is disabled. Using the ones meant for a W124 will result in the engine sitting too high and interfere with hood closing, Removed the engine mount support arms from the original 190E motor and transferred to the new M104 motor. The engine produces 510 horsepower and 630 Nm to the rear wheels. We had a 5.0L from an 80's mercedes, 240bhp, but decided to go with the higher revving motor. Im very glad Ive discovered this thread as when I started the swap in January this wasnt posted yet, Im mechanically minded but new to cars and electrics in general, any pointer will be much appreciated, thanks! Also note that the 1992 M119 engine is a KE-Jetronic engine, whereas the M119 as used in the 500E is LH-Jetronic, and the injection as used on the M104 you mentioned is HFM (essentially Motronic). from my search I limit the option for an engine swap between the M104.980 from w124 300ce 24v and the M104.990 from a W140 320. The injection system is still CIS and the ignition system is still EZL, but additional work is required to make the swap complete. Is removal and shorter belt fitting possible? The engine is mated to a Tex Racing T101a four-speed dogbox using a Sachs Motorsports pressure plate, Tenaci Motorsport 200 mm clutch discs and flywheel. If the fuel pump runs does this indicate power? Head gasket and oil leaks are common to both engines. Unfortunatly, I have done tons of research, and it all depends on how much you want to spend. Source: VRP Fab (large build gallery) via ESD reader Piotr. An additional option is to have a high pressure diagnostic port installed as well since this port will be lost from switching to the M104 A/C manifold. After the legendary E30 and its potent inline-four, then the successful inline-sixes of the E36 and E46, the step up to a V8 did seem a bit unavoidable. Picture time, A few more things for anyone wanting to do the swap. 1996 Volvo 855GLT, 1993 MB 190e 2.3 8v, 1998 Subaru Outback SUS, 1991 BMW 525, 1998 MB C230. 1990 190E 2.6 oil pressure problem uh-oh! The M104 A/C manifold's low pressure hose cannot reach the connection point at the edge of the fender on a 190E chassis. So one day we decided that that nobody has ever ( that I've seen) built and successfully completed a 500e wagon. Im gonna have to work my ass off to be able to do the work on this benzbut it will all be worth it in the end. If it was a black 2.6, with gray cladding, that's John's car from the over on the rev. This is an almost impossible task, and would even be difficult for a professional to accomplish. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Use your original engine mounts and exhaust downpipe, these are a direct fit to the m104. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam.